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March 29, 2012 is the Thursday of the Fifth Week of Lent. The reading is from Gospel of John 8:51-59
Amen, amen, I say to you, whoever keeps my word will never see death.”
(So) the Jews said to him, “Now we are sure that you are possessed. Abraham died, as did the prophets, yet you say, ‘Whoever keeps my word will never taste death.’ Are you greater than our father Abraham, who died? Or the prophets, who died? Who do you make yourself out to be?”
Jesus answered, “If I glorify myself, my glory is worth nothing; but it is my Father who glorifies me, of whom you say, ‘He is our God.’ You do not know him, but I know him. And if I should say that I do not know him, I would be like you a liar. But I do know him and I keep his word. Abraham your father rejoiced to see my day; he saw it and was glad.
So the Jews said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old and you have seen Abraham?”
Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, before Abraham came to be, I AM.”
So they picked up stones to throw at him; but Jesus hid and went out of the temple area.
In today’s gospel reading the verse
“Amen, amen, I say to you, whoever keeps my word will never see death.” (John 8:51)
has a parallel in the following verses, also in John.
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Are you greater than our father Abraham, who died? Or the prophets, who died? Who do you make yourself out to be?” (John 8:53)
has a parallel in
- Are you greater than our father Jacob, who gave us this cistern and drank from it himself with his children and his flocks?” (John 4:12)
You do not know him, but I know him. And if I should say that I do not know him, I would be like you a liar. But I do know him and I keep his word. (John 8:55)
has a parallel in
- So Jesus cried out in the temple area as he was teaching and said, “You know me and also know where I am from. Yet I did not come on my own, but the one who sent me, whom you do not know, is true. I know him, because I am from him, and he sent me.” (John 7:28-29)
The following verse,
Abraham your father rejoiced to see my day; he saw it and was glad. (John 8:56)
seems to be a reference to the birth of Isaac, and the beginning of the fulfillment of promises about Abraham’s seed.
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This could also mean that Abraham would have rejoiced to see him (Jesus) and his work that the disciples were seeing then.
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Has the following verse interpreted diffently?
So the Jews said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old and you have seen Abraham?” (John 8:57)
The evidence of the third-century Bodmer Papyrus P75 and the first hand of Codex Sinaiticus indicates that the text originally read: “How can Abraham have seen you?”
Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, before Abraham came to be, I AM.” (John 8:58)
Also in John we find these verses:
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In the time of Jesus, the Jews were very apprehensive in using the sacred name of God YHWH and refreained from uttering it publically or even privately and they used the term “LORD” instead.
So, when Jesus said “I Am” was it another way of referring to God?
Name of God in Judaism
The four-letter name for the God of Israel is YHWH (Hebrew יהוה ). It is the most important name of God in Judaism, and is used most often in the Hebrew scriptures. It is also known as the Tetragrammaton, a term from Greek τετραγράμματον, meaning “[a word] having four letters”.
Français : Détail d'un vitrail représentant le tétragramme YHWH, dans l'église épiscopalienne Grace, installé peu après la construction du temple en 1868, à Decorah, Iowa, Etats-Unis English: Detail of a stained glass window featuring a representation of the Tetragrammaton installed in Grace Episcopal Church soon after 1868 when the church was built in Decorah, Iowa (Photo credit: Wikipedia)
The Tetragrammaton appears 6,828 times in the Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia edition of the Hebrew Masoretic Text. It is first mentioned in Genesis 2:4, and is traditionally translated as ‘The LORD’ in English language bibles.
- This is the story of the heavens and the earth at their creation. When the LORD God made the earth and the heavens— (Genesis 2:4)
The numerous titles for God have been a source of debate among biblical scholars. YHWH is the only proper name of God in the Tanakh in the sense of a personal
name.
The Tanakh (Hebrew: תַּנַ”ךְ) is a name used in Judaism for the canon of the Hebrew Bible. The Tanakh is also known as the Masoretic Text that I mentioned above or as the ”Miqra” (מקרא), meaning “that which is read.”
The Masoretic Text has three traditional subdivisions: The Torah (“Teaching”, also known as the Five Books of Moses), Nevi’im (“Prophets”) and Ketuvim (“Writings”).
The name Tanakh is an acronym formed from the initial Hebrew letters of the Masoretic Text – TaNaKh.
Words such as Elohim (god, or authority), El (mighty one), El Shaddai (almighty), Adonai (master), Elyon (most high), Avinu (our father), are not names of God but titles, highlighting different aspects of YHWH and the various roles of God.
Rabbinical Judaism teaches that the four-letter name of God, YHVH, is forbidden to be uttered by any Jew other than the High Priest in the Holy Temple on Yom Kippur (Hebrew: יוֹם כִּפּוּר or יום הכיפורים) also known as ‘Day of Atonement.’
Yom Kippur is the tenth day of the month of Tishrei. With its central themes of atonement and repentance, Yom Kippur happens to be the holiest and most solemn day of the year for the Jews who traditionally observe this holy day with a 25-hour period of fasting and intensive prayer. Yom Kippur completes the annual period known in Judaism as the High Holy Days or Yamim Nora’im (“Days of Awe”).
According to Jewish tradition, God inscribes each person’s fate for the ensuing year into a book, Sefer HaChaim (Hebrew : ספר החיים), the Book of Life, on Rosh Hashanah, and waits until Yom Kippur to “seal” the verdict.
Rosh Hashanah is the Jewish New Year. It is the first of the High Holy Days or Yamim Nora’im which occur in the autumn. Rosh Hashanah is celebrated on the first two days of Tishrei.
Throughout the service of Yom Kippur, the High Priest pronounced the name YHVH “just as it is written” in each blessing he made. When the people standing in the Temple courtyard heard the name they prostrated flat on the Temple floor.
The Hebrew letters are (right to left) Yodh, He, Waw and He (יהוה). It is written as YHWH, YHVH, or JHVH in English, depending on the transliteration convention that is used.
YHWH stems from the Jewish conception of monotheism that God exists by himself for himself, and is the uncreated Creator who is independent of any concept, force, or entity “I AM that I AM”.
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Thanks Tvaraj. Much useful and inspiring information.
You asked
“So, when Jesus said “I Am” was it another way of referring to God?”
What do you think? I ask because – I might have missed it – I don’t see any answer to your question, or did you mean to provide no answer?
Hello bography,
I am just a humble soul, a layman.
The daily gospel readings inspire me so I try to gather a bit more information to aid my understanding.
When I wrote
“So, when Jesus said “I Am” was it another way of referring to God?”
is a perenial question that could be answered by One Daring Jew like you and others who are dedicated to the ministeries.
In the last paragraph in my post I have put in gathered information.
‘YHWH stems from the Jewish conception of monotheism that God exists by himself for himself, and is the uncreated Creator who is independent of any concept, force, or entity “I AM that I AM”.’
Since Jesus was a Jew you will know him better than I do. I want to learn more about Jesus and his times. That is why I have undertaken to write a post daily on what inspires me, namely the daily reading from the gospels.
Tvaraj
you say “I am just a humble soul, a layman.”
As you know most Jews, Christians, etc. are lay persons. If they are genuine about their faith, their lay status is no excuse to “lay about,” which you obviously don’t do.
If, say, a Christian does not devote a good amount of time to the study of his religion, he is not a genuine Christian. You have shown what a humble layman – and an agnostic (that is what you are at the moment, right?) – can do with his time, effort and ability. And English is only your second language, not so!
But to return to your post, you have laid (tee hee lay-man) out the issue well. There is Jesus who claims to be God (do you agree that he is claiming this?) and there is the Jewish claim of who God is. They both can’t be right, right?
Do you think that knowing which one of the two is true could affect you eternal destiny. But I suppose I should have first asked you whether you believe in an afterlife.
Raphael (aka bogrophy),
About after life? I don’t know… Is there a life after death? This too is another perenial question I find in ‘my’ book of life.
There is an age old adage in my mother tongue Tamil,
“மாண்டவர் மீண்டதில்லை, மீண்டும் வந்து வாழ்ந்ததில்லை” (Transliteration: maandavar meendathillai, meendum vandhu vaalndhathillai)
meaning “the dead don’t ressurect nor don’t come back and live again.”
About 2 years ago, in India, I became suddenly ill. My elder daughter rushed me a to a nearby clinic where I blanked out. She later said that for ten minutes or so I was
motionless and no pulse. All, including the doctors, thought I had gone.
I? I was in a limbo, in a pitch black, cold, singular silent abysm.
After a while I heard the voice of my daugter, faint and far away, crying her heart out, By and by her voice became louder and I could hear her giving instructions to be
careful with my body, person. I slowly regained conciousness but couldn’t open my eyes as it was very, very, excruciatingly bright. Then I saw my daughter’s face, tears
streaming down her cheek.
So, from then on I became concious to the fact that there is some purpose for my resurrection and coming back to live again. So, from then on
“… I do nothing on my own, but I say only what the Father taught me. The one who sent me is with me. He has not left me alone, because I always do what is pleasing
to him.”
Now don’t say “The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose.”
Mark you this, Bassanio,
The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose.
An evil soul producing holy witness
Is like a villain with a smiling cheek,
A goodly apple rotten at the heart:
O, what a goodly outside falsehood hath!
( Antonio in William Shakespeare’s “The Merchant of Venice”)
Quick Quiz:
If “The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose”, why would he do that?
(a) to show off
(b) to curry favour with God
(c) to disguise his intentions
My choice would be (b).
Interesting story.
You (know very well that you) identified Jesus with yourself, “… I do nothing on my own, but I say only what the Father taught me. The one who sent me is with me. He has not left me alone, because I always do what is pleasing to him.”
Jesus gave many details of what pleased his Father. Do you think any of them also apply to you? If yes, could you give some examples?
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